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# 6H
## IB w Shotgun
Free runup SG.D
Can do a charged shotgun but due to range won't wallsplat
## w Shotgun
SG.S > Bridal
SG.S > H
## wo Shotgun
### Midscreen
Runup 2D > j.KSPS > j.KSHD
2H(1)>2D works but leads to less damage.

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# Bandit Bringer
![bandit_bringer.png](src/bandit_bringer.png)
!!! warning "IB required"
If IB is not used one cannot punish Sol Bandit Bringer.
On ground **IB** sol is -5 in a **crouching state**, meaning that we can:
- Ground throw (simple)
- 2P (tight)
## Ground throw
- Simple
- Does 55 damage
- With RC it leads to the respective throw combos.
!!! warning "Distance Specific"
You need to be somewhat close to sol in order to be able to punish with a throw.
https://youtu.be/8Cqm_L0yP10
## 2P
### Bridal ender
> 2P > c.S > f.S > 2H > 2D > Bridal
https://youtu.be/oSHCOS8ZqYw
If we are **very** close, enough for `2S > 2D` to chain, Elphelt can do the `IAD j.Pull j.S Safejump` midscreen.
> 2P > c.S > S > 2D > Bridal
Which allows for an IAD j.Pull j.S Safejump from midscreen
https://youtu.be/apF50AZI8_c
### SG.H ender
Leads to a **midscreen** SG.H safe-jump.
> 2P > c.S > f.S > 2H(1) > 2D > SG.H
https://youtu.be/ja3_KmBXPZ8
!!! warning "If very spaced go for bridal"
When being substantially spaced SG.H won't knockdown.
In those scenarios just use Bridal or 2D.
https://youtu.be/vcMi3DSWpj8
!!! note "2H(2) is possible but less consistent"
### 2D ender
> 2P > c.S > f.S > 2H > 2D
From this one can go for 2D mixups or the safejump.
https://youtu.be/jomgFOfIvVE

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This is me testing for stuff or stuff tested that's "not bueno".
## Punishes
### Bandit bringer
It's possible to jump IB it and airthrow.
To get something out of it you need to RC unless there is a berry right under you.
Deals 55 damage which can kill sol at 5% HP.
Ground throw does the exact same damage, and it's easier to perform/less risky.
https://youtu.be/7UGpWWGpIQg

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## Dead Angle
If not point-blank can try to time/preemptive roll (236K/SG.K).

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# Basic Bridal Safejump
66 j9 ~ j.S
https://x.com/MergicMagaki/status/890257871581175808

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# Genvoerse (WIP)
Refer to [Routing from genoverse](./Routing_from_genoverse.md).

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Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N006I0x03wM&list=PL6ZUzEhM_rdB19y3nJJoIosxHa8z9lsVm
# 6H
## 6H > Bridal (ender)
!!! Success "Very simple"
Cancel into:
- Pull berry.
- Shotgun.
No video will be provided for this (use the video in [6H > Bridal > Pickup](#6h-bridal-pickup) for reference).
!!! Note "Bridal is height dependant"
Bridal is height dependant, if the opponent is too high bridal might go under them.
The workaround for this is to delay the bridal.
!!! Note "Beware of long combos"
If you want to do 6H with dash momentum, if the combo is too long the opponent might be able to tech before the 6H hits them.
## 6H > Bridal > Pickup
!!! Warning "Can be a bit tricky"
!!! Note "Bridal is height dependant"
Bridal is height dependant, if the opponent is too high bridal might go under them.
The workaround for this is to delay the bridal.
!!! Note "Beware of long combos"
If you want to do 6H with dash momentum, if the combo is too long the opponent might be able to tech before the 6H hits them.
[Lightweights](https://youtu.be/7405jot9cR8)
[Midweights](https://youtu.be/gt5O8zUxoLw)
[Heavyweights](https://youtu.be/N006I0x03wM)
## 6H > Genoverse
!!! Success "Burst-safe Finisher"
If the 6H is spaced and the opponent is high, it will be burst-safe.
When they burst the 6H, Genoverse will whiff (on certain situations can still catch them), and you can punish the burst before they land.
https://youtu.be/0PI-_NQTF1M
# j.KSH |> pickup
## 66 j.9KSH
!!! Warning "Regarding burst-safe"
While in the air (after j.K) hold crouchback, in case the opponent burst and you don't react to it, you will be crouching, since if Elphelt stands it's possible to get hit by it. Still, on landing you will be doing 2P so you aren't derrailing your inputs.
---
To create a height difference between Elphelt and the opponentl, do j.K when she's close to start falling.
**If this is not done, only j.H might be burstsafe.**
[Lightweights](https://youtu.be/D_YUPAlSDiM)
[Midweights](https://youtu.be/Our4U9iRc-Y)
[Heavyweights](https://youtu.be/2LetmAthhIk)
!!! Note "Potemkin"
On Potemkin it is possible to make the j.K burstsafe but requires the combo length to be quite short.
[Potemkin](https://youtu.be/jP4RuiPRSm4)
## IAD / sj.IAD > j.KSH
!!! Note "j.KSH or j.PSH?"
Both, both is good.
I do j.KSH, both are valid.
j.P raises the opponent a bit higher than with j.K.
I rather delay the buttons when I want extra height.
Depending on the amount of hits and opponent height/weight you might need to do sj.IAD instead of an IAD.
Spacing, hit count, height/weight makes you choose between IAD and **sj.**IAD, a rule of thumb would be:
- Low hitcount/Lightweights -> sj.IAD
- Heavyweight -> IAD
But other than that it's a bit of trial and error/feeling.
## Pickups from 2P c.S
- [5H Bridal](https://youtu.be/4ngjEWlQIYw)
- [j.SPSHD](https://youtu.be/frkjq1WfKiw)
- [8j.SD > j.Pull > j.Toss](https://youtu.be/71B7Ydprg9A)
- [8j.SD > j.Pull > AD j.Toss](https://youtu.be/OIse6yLGr90)
- [Gutscrush version (finicky)](https://youtu.be/lNDwi1gy1A8)
### Roundstart 5H > Genoverse
On this specific scenario sj.IAD is required for Lightweights and Midweights.
[Lightweights](https://youtu.be/X7ppSw37spE)
[Midweights](https://youtu.be/9RA0_DAjDNM)
[Heavyweights](https://youtu.be/k_vD9HjK1UU)
### High distance
This route can be used when there is a substantial distance.
https://youtu.be/BEsUvQNLI30
# Corner
Notes specifically regarding the corner.
> TODO
## IAD j.SHD > c.S
...
## Gutscrush
## On not prorated combos
(this is old text, will need to check it eventually)
At very high distances `Genoverse > 66 ~ j.9SH` _can_ route into `j.D |> f.S/5H` Pickup, but no knockdown.
From `Genoverse > 66 ~ sj.IAD 9SH` I was able to get `j.D |> f.S > Bridal`, once. Since it's an IAD, requires some spacing... For reference, I believe it was on Johnny, nevertheless it's a simulation that resembles something that I would call as too much inconsistent, therefore if one is found in such situation, take the j.D knockdown, you can still do the `superjump IAD` stuff, but aiming to get the j.D knockdown, not picking up from that.
# Special notes
- It's possible to connect Genoverse into 2H (ie. 6P > Genoverse > 2H).
- It's possible to route into an UB setup.

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This section expects you to IB the burst.
# w Shotgun
# Midscreen
## Midscreen
Same than without IB.
IB doesn't allow for "more routes", but gives us more margin to perform the "basic ones"
## Corner
? Probably on grounded bursts one is very limited unless you are close enough to wallsplat with just SG.IB > charge > SG.H
# wo Shotgun
## Midscreen
### c.S
## c.S
!!! success "Simple and Good"
c.S routes are overall simple, especially if close to the corner.
#### c.S > j.SPS > jc j.SPSHD
### c.S > j.SPS > jc j.SPSHD
https://youtu.be/C7hhNXT6kPc
#### c.S > j.SPS > jc j.SPSHD > 2H > Bridal
### c.S > j.SPS > jc j.SPSHD > 2H > Bridal
If close enough to the corner/managed opponent's height correctly, you will be able to pick up j.D with 2H.
https://youtu.be/MCIsWS_HUao
#### c.S > j.KSH > 2P > f.S > 5H > Genoverse
### c.S > j.KSH > 2P > f.S > 5H > Genoverse
!!! warning "Not that good"
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https://youtu.be/baGWOGQvVJo
### j.S > etc
## j.S > etc
!!! warning "Basic c.S routings are possible"
j.S might be helpful on instances were you did IB the burst but are too high to fall get to the ground and press c.S
#### j.S > jc > j.KSH > 2P > f.S > 5H > Genoverse
### j.S > jc > j.KSH > 2P > f.S > 5H > Genoverse
!!! warning "6H followup annoying"
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https://youtu.be/dzn4KbTmeho
## Corner
# Corner
### c.S
## c.S
!!! success "Probably the best one"
Simple, effective, very flexible in the routing and oki.
#### c.S > j.KSH |> 2H > 5P > c.S > j.7H
### c.S > j.KSH |> 2H > 5P > c.S > j.7H
https://youtu.be/6TmGBf86ETI
#### c.S > j.KSH |> 2H > Shotgun x4
### c.S > j.KSH |> 2H > Shotgun x4
!!! warning "Advanced"
https://youtu.be/khPb6evgg14
### AD
## AD
#### AD j.KSD > j.Pull |> c.S
### AD j.KSD > j.Pull |> c.S
Note the delays between the buttons to increase opponent's height.
https://youtu.be/B_p4uIhuaE8
#### AD > j.SD |> c.S > j.KSH |> 2H > Bridal
### AD > j.SD |> c.S > j.KSH |> 2H > Bridal
https://youtu.be/SGqXfXKiEd8
#### AD > j.SD |> c.S > j.SPSHD |> 2H > Bridal
### AD > j.SD |> c.S > j.SPSHD |> 2H > Bridal
https://youtu.be/J7ziQoPby7M
#### AD > j.SD |> c.S > j.KSHD |> 2H > Pull
### AD > j.SD |> c.S > j.KSHD |> 2H > Pull
https://youtu.be/cuIsy6PXceU

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# wo Shotgun
# Corner
## Corner
### f.S > 5H > bridal loops
## f.S > 5H > bridal loops
TODO
# w Shotgun
## Midscreen
[//]: # ()
[//]: # (!!! success "Don't need IB")
[//]: # ()
[//]: # ( You don't need to IB to perform these, they are very simple and straightforward)
### SG.S > Bridal
Simple. BnB
TODO
### SG.S remove stance > jc route
Simple n2. BnB but a bit more complex
TODO
### with Berry on hand
how is the timing?
should we SG.S > toss or raw toss?
## Corner
## AD j.SD |> c.S
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During a match you can use "whatever" since you want to ensure getting a punish, even if it deals less damage, yet, on certain situations you have more margin to decide what you will start the combo with.
## Playlists:
# Playlists:
## General
### General Decent/normal playlist:
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!!! warning "this list is not exclusively for burst punishes"
## Shotgun
### From SG.D Pull SG.S
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6ZUzEhM_rdDlZIOz5a_RyqO2hSBvbnyz&si=RV991LYWvD5FxZQ6

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# SG.D pull > SG.S (standard routing)
## SG.S
By IBing the burst, shotgun can get charged.
For the first shot it doesn't require to micro-walk if we do an SG.D right in the corner.
### Punish with IB SG.Hx2 Toss (very tight)
Requires opponent to burst as soon as possible.
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### Punish with 66 SG.H x2 SG.P Toss
https://youtu.be/k-97qEeuzSo
https://youtu.be/NfHF-iJgX14
### Punish with 66 SG.H cS 5h Toss
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This would allow for some margin, either to roll through the burst and the berry, or to block both and follow up/punish with a 66 sg.h or sg.p.
Nevertheless, I won't cover that.
Nevertheless, I won't cover that.

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# Midscreen
Same than without IB.
IB doesn't allow for "more routes", but gives us more margin to perform the "basic ones"
# Corner
? Probably on grounded bursts one is very limited unless you are close enough to wallsplat with just SG.IB > charge > SG.H

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# Midscreen
[//]: # ()
[//]: # (!!! success "Don't need IB")
[//]: # ()
[//]: # ( You don't need to IB to perform these, they are very simple and straightforward)
## SG.S > Bridal
Simple. BnB
TODO
## SG.S remove stance > jc route
Simple n2. BnB but a bit more complex
TODO
## with Berry on hand
how is the timing?
should we SG.S > toss or raw toss?
TODO
# Corner
## With 50% meter
### Lightweights
Raw Genoverse > SG.S > Bridal > Charged Shotguns loops.
### Into IK
!!! Warning "ENDER"

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# Standard routes
## Comboing into Genoverse
Possible followups.
6H (Ender)
6H (Bridal |> Pickup)
6H (Bridal |> KD), if the opponent is quite high they might be abe to tech out, a workaround for this might be delaying the bridal.
### j.KSH |> (2P >) > (c.S) rejump
`j.KSH` can be perform by doing:
- Genoverse > IAD j.KSH
- Genoverse > 66 ~ j.9KSH
#### General Notes
> Notes:
>
> Depending on the height/distance whatever every single button from `j.KSH` will require some degree of delay, specially the `j.H`, since we are rising the height of the opponent (without getting that high that we can't combo), in order for us to land in the ground before the opponent and still have time to pickup with 2P or c.S.
>
> The damage difference without using `2P` is that low that it's recommended to pickup with `2P > c.S` for more stability/consistency.
>
> Against lightweights I believe `sj.IAD j.KSH` to be more consistent than `IAD j.KSH` (generally speaking).
>
> Stuff like IADs look cool, but as per the moment I cannot justify them over doing the `Genoverse > 66 ~ j.9KSH` except the extremely specific instance where I did `Genoverse > 66 ~ sj.9SH` and allowed for `j.D |> f.S > 5H > Bridal`.
>
> Being able to use IAD also depends on the proximity from the opponent, as being too close would result in dropping the combo (not being able to route j.KSH).
#### On not prorated combos
At very high distances `Genoverse > 66 ~ j.9SH` _can_ route into `j.D |> f.S/5H` Pickup, but no knockdown.
From `Genoverse > 66 ~ sj.IAD 9SH` I was able to get `j.D |> f.S > Bridal`, once. Since it's an IAD, requires some spacing... For reference, I believe it was on Johnny, nevertheless it's a simulation that resembles something that I would call as too much inconsistent, therefore if one is found in such situation, take the j.D knockdown, you can still do the `superjump IAD` stuff, but aiming to get the j.D knockdown, not picking up from that.
#### On prorated combos
> Notes:
>
> Both `IAD` (or `sj.IAD`) should be usable in prorated combo routes, as it's less likely that the opponent goes over your character due to combo gravity, nevertheless I also believe that all the instances that the `IAD` routing can be used, one cana also use the `66 j.9`, therefore for consistency/simplifying things ij recommend going for the `66 j.9` routing on all the main scenarios.